After all what I have done, this morning on switch on I got the store access icon on my desktop.....meaning crap is still coming in. I have reached the end of my knowledge regarding blocking windows update and has reached out for a corruption trick. It's an old trick but it works. Even the Anti-Virus packages has hidden features to allow windows background updates. Soooo. I have corrupted the wuaueng.dll file with it's proxy stub file to not except updates. Added a schedule to replace the dll at intervals in case it gets replaced and blocked the crap out of windows and almost all of the ports, the firewall ports I now have only 80 and 8080. Nearly broke my foot off in windows ass. Now it is starting to purr like the V12 I know and remember. Will see what new curveball I'm gone get after I through this the box of spanners at it. After that.....I'm using the cutting torch to loosen it up.