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Taosd said:
Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and not everyone uses their computer for gaming.
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well, regardless of gaming, the performance of windows 10 is faster than windows 8, and it is more secure, more stable, just better, overall
 
n2k12 said:
incorrect. there is alot of ignorance and hate based around windows 10. i personally don't understand it. windows 8.1 is more buggy, more slow, and also cannot run the latest windows games, no support for directx12. is less secure, etc. i understand people do not have the required hardware specifications to run windows 10, but that is no fault of the OS.
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Try running Windows 10/11 with a 5400 RPM laptop hard disk.

Compare the number of scheduled tasks, running services, background processes, things running without your permission, unnecessary apps (bloatware) and you'll understand why many people hate windows 10/11 and don't want to leave windows 7.

Not everyone is enthusiastic and uses all the latest hardware. Many don't even have the option of using Windows 10 because their PC turns into a wagon with that.

If you have high end hardware and you are a layman you will not feel much difference and you will tend to think that newer is always better but if you have average hardware you will clearly feel the difference.

If you understand a little about what runs under the hood of Windows you will see that a lot of useless stuff has been added to run in the background for little technological evolution in fact.

Most of the weight of windows is due to the Store and cloud services and everything that is needed to keep it running, and which runs poorly. Windows 8.1 also had Store and sync but was lightweight close to Windows 7.

The problem is that we live in a time of lazy developers, see the poorly optimized games that have been released. Back in the day hardware was limited so developers were forced to optimize things. Today all the responsibility is on the user, if it doesn't run well it's your PC's fault, buy a new one.

For gaming I agree with you, Windows 10 has directx 12 and that's the only reason I use it.
 
10(1809) is about 4 times as hungry with handles threads and processes when compared to 7, its like comparing a bicycle to a bus. and its buggy.
About 30gbp for a crucial BX 120gb ssd.
 
AeonX said:
Try running Windows 10/11 with a 5400 RPM laptop hard disk.

Compare the number of scheduled tasks, running services, background processes, things running without your permission, unnecessary apps (bloatware) and you'll understand why many people hate windows 10/11 and don't want to leave windows 7.

Not everyone is enthusiastic and uses all the latest hardware. Many don't even have the option of using Windows 10 because their PC turns into a wagon with that.

If you have high end hardware and you are a layman you will not feel much difference and you will tend to think that newer is always better but if you have average hardware you will clearly feel the difference.

If you understand a little about what runs under the hood of Windows you will see that a lot of useless stuff has been added to run in the background for little technological evolution in fact.

Most of the weight of windows is due to the Store and cloud services and everything that is needed to keep it running, and which runs poorly. Windows 8.1 also had Store and sync but was lightweight close to Windows 7.

The problem is that we live in a time of lazy developers, see the poorly optimized games that have been released. Back in the day hardware was limited so developers were forced to optimize things. Today all the responsibility is on the user, if it doesn't run well it's your PC's fault, buy a new one.

For gaming I agree with you, Windows 10 has directx 12 and that's the only reason I use it.
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i do run it on a 5400rpm hard disk, on my 2nd pc. its an old toshiba laptop, with 4gb ram. runs fine.
 
Clanger said:
10(1809)
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With newer versions after that only increase the resources used for nothing effective in improvements.

1607 is the closest Win10 version to Win8.1 in performance but some PC's don't work well at this and at least 1809 is required. Using a current 1TB 7200 RPM desktop hard disk I felt 1809 much slower than 1607. With SSD I didn't test it but 21H1 runs smoothly.

To run well Windows 10/11 an SSD is essential. No wonder Microsoft is forcing OEM's to sell new PC's with SSD. Certificate of incompetence.
 
AeonX said:
With newer versions after that only increase the resources used for nothing effective in improvements.

1607 is the closest Win10 version to Win8.1 in performance but some PC's don't work well at this and at least 1809 is required. Using a current 1TB 7200 RPM desktop hard disk I felt 1809 much slower than 1607. With SSD I didn't test it but 21H1 runs smoothly.

To run well Windows 10/11 an SSD is essential. No wonder Microsoft is forcing OEM's to sell new PC's with SSD. Certificate of incompetence.
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its really not essential to have an ssd, why all the conspiracy theories? the reasons pc ships with ssd, is efficiency, power usage, and lifetime of storage, and performance
 
n2k12 said:
i dont know what people are doing on their computers that make them so slow. and i dont understand why they blame windows for the slowness, but each to their own
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They just install Windows without optimizing anything :D

Running smoothly is something very subjective, what is smooth for you may not be for me and vice versa.

After a long time using a slow system you end up getting used to it and finding it normal, the right thing is to use one OS for a while and then use another OS and compare.

Even with SSD depending on the PC it is possible to notice a difference, I installed 1809 on an Atom with SSD and it was noticeably slower than 1607 and Win8.1.

n2k12 said:
i do run it on a 5400rpm hard disk, on my 2nd pc. its an old toshiba laptop, with 4gb ram. runs fine.
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What magical laptop is this? lol
 
shame they aint worried about bloat and resource usage and why they wont give enthusiasts a pure performance os without any glitz and schmitz that installs at 2-3gb without pagefile/hibernation etc.
 
Clanger said:
W8.1 EoL capture 8.1 will not "hold/keep" the Administrator account.
Sysprep uses the Administrator account yeah, after a restart a popup window says "signed into a temporary account, something something something", its also happening on the deployed image. Scheduled tasks is ballsed up too, a task appears that wipes out the Administrator account on each system startup. F-knows why and i didnt have the werewithal to backtrack and see which update caused it during sysprep.
Said sod it and went back to 10. garlin s quote of "intern" and "sloppy programming" sprang to mind.
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Did you reboot into audit mode? I just get problems (an error message I don't remember) if I don't capture the \Users\Administrator folder and try to enter audit mode again. I used a wimscript.ini for the capture that deleted that folder and I deleted the user in the registry but somehow it gets saved elsewhere so I think I'll keep that.
 
yeah audit mode, all goes fine up to about 2019 updates and to be completely honest i really dont give a damn now, w10, install SS, net 3.5, net 4.8, CU then .nets CU, no WU cpu blocking, all done built and captured in a vm.mounted .vhd in a fraction of the time it takes to build an eol w7 or 8.1 image.
 
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