Remove Internet Explorer without breaking the MMC Extended View

Kasual

Well-Known Member
No.

If you are removing Internet Explorer HTML viewer, the notes say that is needed for MMC - Services.msc descriptions on the left.

Internet explorer (subyacent to Internet Explorer HTML viewe) doesn't have notes and shouldn't affect.
 
No.

If you are removing Internet Explorer HTML viewer, the notes say that is needed for MMC - Services.msc descriptions on the left.

Internet explorer (subyacent to Internet Explorer HTML viewe) doesn't have notes and shouldn't affect.

But if I don't remove it and remove the other Internet Explorer (Internet Explorer - 32-bits) for some reason I can still run it if I run the iexplore.exe file inside the internet explorer folder (which I think it was supposed to be there) which in turn is inside the Program Files folder.
 
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Kasual

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The internet explorer core/engine/viewer is needed for another Ms programs and third party programs.

If you want to have some features, you have to deal with it keeping it.
 

AeonX

Active Member
in Windows 10 the extended view registry key is removed when removing Internet Explorer even if you keep HTML Viewer so for example the services.msc description on the left is lost.

A quick workaround to Win10 is to add the following .reg to the registry:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MMC\SnapIns\{B708457E-DB61-4C55-A92F-0D4B5E9B1224}]
"NameString"="Extended View"
"NameStringIndirect"="@mmcbase.dll,-14177"
 
in Windows 10 the extended view registry key is removed when removing Internet Explorer even if you keep HTML Viewer so for example the services.msc description on the left is lost.

A quick workaround to Win10 is to add the following .reg to the registry:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MMC\SnapIns\{B708457E-DB61-4C55-A92F-0D4B5E9B1224}]
"NameString"="Extended View"
"NameStringIndirect"="@mmcbase.dll,-14177"

Can I create a .reg file based on that and add it to NTLite?
 

PsychedelicShaman

New Member
And will it do the changes after logging in for the first time in an user account or even before that?
NTLite mounts the offline registry hives from the install.wim, in the case of HKLM/Software it's the "Windows\System32\config\SOFTWARE", therefore the changes are instantly applied to the offline image, before even you start installing Windows, as far as i know. :)
 
NTLite mounts the offline registry hives from the install.wim, in the case of HKLM/Software it's the "Windows\System32\config\SOFTWARE", therefore the changes are instantly applied to the offline image, before even you start installing Windows, as far as i know. :)

If I remove it with MSMG ToolKit it doesn't break the MMC Extended View.
 
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PsychedelicShaman

New Member
If I remove it with MSMG ToolKit it doesn't break the Extended View.
MSMG handles removal of the components differently; it's removal is pretty basic, so the leftovers like scheduled tasks, registry keys, gpedit entries are left in the installed system, while i believe nuhi has coded NTLite to remove those components in a way more advanced manner, but it takes a lot of time to test every single component removal and it's dependencies, just give it time and nuhi will fix it for sure. :)
 
MSMG handles removal of the components differently; it's removal is pretty basic, so the leftovers like scheduled tasks, registry keys, gpedit entries are left in the installed system, while i believe nuhi has coded NTLite to remove those components in a way more advanced manner, but it takes a lot of time to test every single component removal and it's dependencies, just give it time and nuhi will fix it for sure. :)

I know but if I remove IE with NTLite I still have its folder in the program files folder.
 

Clanger

Well-Known Member
Check if the IE program files folder is empty. Explorer needs a couple of IE files, remove those and Explorer opens every folder in a new window.
 

AeonX

Active Member
And will it do the changes after logging in for the first time in an user account or even before that?

Yes, NTLite first removes the components and only then integrates the .reg files so the above registry entries will be appended correctly in an offline image and in the first boot after Windows installation the extended view for the MMC applications (services.msc, gpedit.msc...) will be available. Even in a live system the changes take effect instantly after adding to the registry without needing a reboot.

If I remove it with MSMG ToolKit it doesn't break the Extended View.

MSMG Toolkit uses another approach to remove components. You need to use an ISO with no updates to remove all files properly so apparently removing files and registry keys are done manually while NTLite seems to have an automatic and dynamic way of detecting the files and entries in the registry but since everything that exists is not perfect and given the nature of Windows to not be fully modular some IE components need to be kept in order not to lose certain features. NTLite removes all that is possible without breaking features but sometimes needs some fixes.
 
Yes, NTLite first removes the components and only then integrates the .reg files so the above registry entries will be appended correctly in an offline image and in the first boot after Windows installation the extended view for the MMC applications (services.msc, gpedit.msc...) will be available. Even in a live system the changes take effect instantly after adding to the registry without needing a reboot.



MSMG Toolkit uses another approach to remove components. You need to use an ISO with no updates to remove all files properly so apparently removing files and registry keys are done manually while NTLite seems to have an automatic and dynamic way of detecting the files and entries in the registry but since everything that exists is not perfect and given the nature of Windows to not be fully modular some IE components need to be kept in order not to lose certain features. NTLite removes all that is possible without breaking features but sometimes needs some fixes.

Do you know a program which can remove components in a live install excluding NTLite?
 

Clanger

Well-Known Member
Do you know a program which can remove components in a live install excluding NTLite?

I do but i wont be telling you because i do not think its fair to nuhi to constantly discuss alternative ways/competing products here(none of which i use). Its like standing outside McDonalds door handing out leaflets for Burger King.

You have been told before about this, we even asked nicely but you still keep doing it. You lurk elsewhere, ask there.
 
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AeonX

Active Member
Do you know a program which can remove components in a live install excluding NTLite?

Do not know. I only know powershell scripts that are limited because they only remove Metro Apps or prevent System Apps from being installed but do not remove them from the image.

Since you can no longer use Dism or install_wim_tweak.exe to remove components in the latest builds of Windows 10 I at least do not know of any tool capable of removing components in a live install other than NTLite.
 
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