Minimal Services Configurations for Windows 10 1809 (LTSC 17763.3165)
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AeonX QuickCpu has a memory cleaner that is better than RM but you have to keep it running(duh!).
Creating a bat file to clean these 3 memory types would be better to clean on demand or by a scheduled task.
This might be good although i would prefer it if we could get the same result with one of the Sysinternals tools.
Free up RAM with EmptyStandbyList.exe,
You can do it with RamMap but im having trouble getting it to work, Help - Usage isnt much help to a beginner
Creating a bat file to clean these 3 memory types would be better to clean on demand or by a scheduled task.
This might be good although i would prefer it if we could get the same result with one of the Sysinternals tools.
Free up RAM with EmptyStandbyList.exe,
Code:
C:\EmptyStandbyList\EmptyStandbyList.exe workingsets
C:\EmptyStandbyList\EmptyStandbyList.exe standbylist
C:\EmptyStandbyList\EmptyStandbyList.exe modifiedpagelistYou can do it with RamMap but im having trouble getting it to work, Help - Usage isnt much help to a beginner
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Clanger in some scenarios a scheduled task may not be the best option.
Example: You don't have many programs open and the task will still run and clean memory unnecessarily. Or you opened heavy websites in the browser (especially Firefox that doesn't have very good memory management) in a short time and the task takes a long time to execute.
A program that does this dynamically according to memory usage seems to make more sense, but it has the downside of having to run in the background. So it's up to you what you prefer, unfortunately in any scenario there will be some sh*t or negative point.
Cleaning on demand may be the best option if you have the patience for it
But honestly I don't see much advantage in cleaning the memory these days, except in the case of Firefox that I see as an exception or with some other program that is poorly optimized. For Firefox it's something more urgent because browser is something that people usually keep open almost all the time. But it would be necessary to do tests to see if it makes any difference in practice.
Clearing the "working set" seems to be the only interesting option, it can be useful in situations like Firefox from what I understand. It clears memory in use by programs.
I don't know the difference between "System cache" and "Standby list", for me the 2 were the same thing.
Clearing the cache in memory (I believe it is the Standby list) you will lose performance, Windows keeps data in memory that is not in use in case you run the same program or need the same data again they are already in memory, thus avoiding a new read on the disk. But this memory can be used anytime if needed, Windows will free this memory if needed. Clearing this cache will cause programs that you have already run or data that have already been copied to have to be read again from disk, that is, the second time a program is executed instead of starting faster it will take longer to open.
Example: You don't have many programs open and the task will still run and clean memory unnecessarily. Or you opened heavy websites in the browser (especially Firefox that doesn't have very good memory management) in a short time and the task takes a long time to execute.
A program that does this dynamically according to memory usage seems to make more sense, but it has the downside of having to run in the background. So it's up to you what you prefer, unfortunately in any scenario there will be some sh*t or negative point.
Cleaning on demand may be the best option if you have the patience for it
But honestly I don't see much advantage in cleaning the memory these days, except in the case of Firefox that I see as an exception or with some other program that is poorly optimized. For Firefox it's something more urgent because browser is something that people usually keep open almost all the time. But it would be necessary to do tests to see if it makes any difference in practice.
Clearing the "working set" seems to be the only interesting option, it can be useful in situations like Firefox from what I understand. It clears memory in use by programs.
I don't know the difference between "System cache" and "Standby list", for me the 2 were the same thing.
Clearing the cache in memory (I believe it is the Standby list) you will lose performance, Windows keeps data in memory that is not in use in case you run the same program or need the same data again they are already in memory, thus avoiding a new read on the disk. But this memory can be used anytime if needed, Windows will free this memory if needed. Clearing this cache will cause programs that you have already run or data that have already been copied to have to be read again from disk, that is, the second time a program is executed instead of starting faster it will take longer to open.
Clean Ram v2.cmd - run on demand only.
Code:
C:\EmptyStandbyList\EmptyStandbyList.exe workingsets
C:\EmptyStandbyList\EmptyStandbyList.exe standbylist
C:\EmptyStandbyList\EmptyStandbyList.exe modifiedpagelist
C:\EmptyStandbyList\EmptyStandbyList.exe priority0standbylistWorked out how to do it with RamMap
Code:
C:\RAMMap\RAMMap64.exe RAMMap -Ew
C:\RAMMap\RAMMap64.exe RAMMap -Et
C:\RAMMap\RAMMap64.exe RAMMap -Em
Hellbovine
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I've seen Firefox memory issues mentioned often in various threads, so I just wanted to pop in here real quick to comment on that. I haven't used Firefox in some time, but when I did it became mandatory for me to use an extension, such as Lull the Tabs, which unloads tabs based on customizable settings. I know Chrome/Firefox are trying to do this now in later versions, but they don't allow you to customize it, and their defaults aren't aggressive enough for heavy tab users.
Anyway, just something to try out for those that haven't used any tab unloading extensions yet.
Anyway, just something to try out for those that haven't used any tab unloading extensions yet.
Ram use can creep up doing stuff so when you finish a task and ram use is up i just clean it before i do the next thing.
Ive been cleaning my ram manually for going on a month now at least and i am getting no problems at all.
If we listened to the microsoft experts then this place wouldnt be here and we wouldnt tweak windows at all.
I know how far i can thrash windows and it still works good enough for my needs.
Ive been cleaning my ram manually for going on a month now at least and i am getting no problems at all.
If we listened to the microsoft experts then this place wouldnt be here and we wouldnt tweak windows at all.
I know how far i can thrash windows and it still works good enough for my needs.
Hellbovine
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I downloaded it through the extension store though, and I was using the Pale Moon fork at the time, so there might be newer/better tab management out there if you browse around. But I really liked the extension, after spending an hour or so fiddling with all the settings and making it the way I wanted, it completely changed the browsing experience for me. I could now load 30 tabs or whatever and only the foreground tab would be active, while the rest were immediately unloaded until I clicked on them, greatly improving browsing performance.
Hellbovine
Well-Known Member
Looks like that extension is for Pale Moon only for some reason, I didn't realize this, sorry. Maybe that's why I chose to use that fork at the time, but I can't remember now... "Auto Tab Discard" is in the official FireFox add-on store, which sounds similar according to the extension page, but I haven't tried it.
I'll try that but i rarely have more than 10 tabs open and thats when im downloading videos and they get closed really quick anyway.
Have a look at ConfigFox.
Kasual
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"RAMMap is an advanced physical memory usage analysis utility for Windows Vista and higher. "
"Use RAMMap to gain understanding of the way Windows manages memory, to analyze application memory usage, or to answer specific questions about how RAM is being allocated."
An old utility is called Firefox Ultimate Optimizer.FF opens too many processes now, there was a tweak to stop that but mozilla stopped it, screw you mozilla
That said FF addons dont crash anymore.
It uses CPU to keep "firefox.exe" using extreme low RAM and run in the systray.
You can rename a program to firefox.exe and it will low the RAM usage and elevate the CPU usage, I have renamed brave, modified the shortcut and pinned to taskbar. There are 3 instances going from 0 kb to less than 1700 kb (one instance goes under 500 kb, and other instance goes under 900 kb) from 19 instances "firefox.exe" running.
I use a similar Services setup to this on the most recent LTSC.
Some Settings (the built in ones) in Windows either come with an error or crash though. The problemed ones are;
These are all due to services as on default services I don't have any problems with these. Long shot but has anyone nailed down which specific services fix which specific settings? Thanks.
Some Settings (the built in ones) in Windows either come with an error or crash though. The problemed ones are;
- System: Focus assist, Clipboard, About - all error
- Personalisation: Themes - error
- Network & internet - error
- Account: Sync your settings - crash
- Privacy: Activity history - crash, All app permissions - error
These are all due to services as on default services I don't have any problems with these. Long shot but has anyone nailed down which specific services fix which specific settings? Thanks.
It's definitely to do with Servcies. I actually fixed a setting already by reverting a service, can't remember which.
I just double checked - applied all my tweaks except my service tweaks and all settings still work.
Reverted the ones listed here too but still no luck. Guess 1809 is quite different to 21H2.
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if you got two consecutive build numbers, say 1809 and 1903 then chances are they are quite similar under the hood but 1809 and 21h2 are so far apart you must class them as two completely different operating systems. ltsc 21 isnt mature enough to use yet, give it 3 years.
only way is to disable services one by one or in small batches, say 4 5 or 6 at a time, i'd go for 4.
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I need 2 lists for w7, barebone with networking - must work with Internet Download Manager(IDM) and a barebone without networking for a safe offline airgapped workstation, results will be similar to Task Manager grab in post no2.
Updating my w7 stuff ready to make a new capture with the last(?) ESUpdates in january. Need rebuild this pc and decided which cpu, Pentium Gold or 9600K and board to use(i have stock).
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