DCH Drivers, Graphics Control Panels and NTLite dilemma

I couldnt find any non DCH drivers for intel integrated GPUs though. I wonder if there is some workaround there.

Looking forward, its going to be hard to get new drivers without the DCH crap and without Windows Store being absolute requirement to install new drivers. They want to force the garbage on everyone at all cost.
 
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Where theres a will theres a way. I have seen a topic about adding Store to LTSC, i dont know how much work it is or how successful it is.
 
MrBrown said:
just registered to mention that I ran into the same issue. It is correct- the normal drivers from Nvidia and most likely Intel too require Windows Store in order to install the Control Panel (everything installs except the control panel), which fkn sucks, because noone needs this huge pile of dog sheet aka Windows Store. You cant imagine how much time I wasted trying to "modify" a NTlite version, trying to get Intel and NV control panel to work, but still debloat the OS as much as possible. Which didnt work, and then I gave up after wasting alot of time unfortunately.

However someone on Team OS forums mentioned a tool Snappy Driver Installer, which actually installs the newest GPU drivers with Control Panel and you dont need to have Windows Store in your OS. Ive only tested it with NV gpu drivers so far and it actually worked. Newest GPU driver + CP on debloated w10 version without Store and all other BS. Its a great tool really.
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Sounds neat. Except for one problem: These driver installers, from my experience, seem to be shady. At worst they contain adware or even malware. Do you think this tool can be trusted?

Also I would be interested in the mechanism behind this tool. How does it get the CP to work without the system files needed for UWP support? Or does it install a win32 variant of the CP, even on computer models where there isn't an official win32 version of the graphics CP?
 
Go to Snappys homepage and have a look, i think it is or can be protable. A lot of stuff that includes some crap can be extracted then just run portable, even if they cant there are still ways around that. If the tool of choice proves to be valuable, is installer only(cant be extracted) then unplug the lan cable and delete any cindy crush type files.
 
Snappy Installer is portable and doesnt seem to have any malware etc.

As far as how it installs things, I think the NV driver used is a non DCH one. Someone would have to try it with a Intel integrated GPU, like UHD 630 and see if it installs the newest driver INCLUDING the control panel. Because Intel doesnt offer non DCH gpu drivers for windows, so that would be interesting to see how Snappy handles it.
 
My intel machine has been locked down to offline only, ping pmikep cos hes got an i3 uhd630 and may be abble to check.
 
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Yeah well I checked on a Intel UHD620 device and without store (LTSC) the Intel GPU driver will install, but the Control Panel is missing. And theres no way to download it somewhere else or install it through a different method, because the CP itself is a native WIndows Store app.

So much to "where there is a will, theres a way". Snappy Installer cant change anything about it too. The only reason it worked with the Nvidia GPU is most likely because it uses a non-DCH driver, but it is just a matter of time until Nvidia stops releasing non DCH drivers.

So yeah no Windows Store might work on Nvidia systems for now, but not on Intel GPU systems. (unless you dont care about changing Control Panel settings) Kinda unfortunate.

Now if someone could figure out what components of Windows store are the minimal requirement in order to be able to install Control Panel on NV/Intel systems and what components related to windows store can be removed, would be very helpful.
 
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Now if someone could figure out what components of Windows store are the minimal requirement in order to be able to install Control Panel on NV/Intel systems and what components related to windows store can be removed, would be very helpful.
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There is an option in the Components' toolbar called Compatibility (first from the left).
 
MrBrown said:
Yeah well I checked on a Intel UHD620 device and without store (LTSC) the Intel GPU driver will install, but the Control Panel is missing. And theres no way to download it somewhere else or install it through a different method, because the CP itself is a native WIndows Store app.

So much to "where there is a will, theres a way". Snappy Installer cant change anything about it too. The only reason it worked with the Nvidia GPU is most likely because it uses a non-DCH driver, but it is just a matter of time until Nvidia stops releasing non DCH drivers.

So yeah no Windows Store might work on Nvidia systems for now, but not on Intel GPU systems. (unless you dont care about changing Control Panel settings) Kinda unfortunate.

Now if someone could figure out what components of Windows store are the minimal requirement in order to be able to install Control Panel on NV/Intel systems and what components related to windows store can be removed, would be very helpful.
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I mean, you yourself admitted that you wasted a lot of time but the results aren't what you want. And I even tried ticking the Windows Store compatibility option in NTlite. What happened was, it kept just enough components to open the Store, but enough to install CPs properly.

Like I said, our best bet now, is for someone on drivers modding/tech related forums to create a 3rd party alternative tool that would alter the same settings that the CP usually would.
 
I think we should just accept these changes, just install drivers as latest versions and use CP's as modern apps... I deleted modern apps but kept microsoft store it is actually kind of nice without bloatwares. Because not only GPU CP's are from store now realtek and other sound programs are actually installing CP's from microsoft store... and some laptop's CP's are downloaded directly from store now... it is actually kind of handy to have them there and works more smoothly
 
No, just no. MSStore means windows updates has to be running, which means random reboots while I'm doing my stuff despite many, many hacks trying to tell them not to.

Anyways, I have found a 26.20.100.6951 (sorry don't have the URL, but can upload it to Mega if you guys want it) driver from dell a while ago, and it is non-dch. It is reasonably recent too, which is a plus. Found some misc Dell UWP drivers which come with the apps in the package as well, installing like normal programs should (Learn your lesson bloody MicroShit, the reason no one minds .APKs and abhors UWP, if that the later cannot be installed offline with major PITA, you *******. Anyways, rant aside, I think I'm close to figuring a way to do a 100% offline install (a NECESSITY for many, many people in places where random issues can take landlines for days at times).

Edit: to be fair, Realtek silent installation is only possible because some folks at MyDigitalLife have found the XML file that allows the APPXBUNDLE to be deployed. Try as I might, I have not found the corresponding file for deployment of NVIDIA, INTEL, KILLER and other such apps in my net searches.

So yeah, my opinion still stands: If it is mandatory to be downloaded from the store and will not run offline, I don't bloody care if it is free, better or whatever. Universal Windows Poop and the whole Dictatorial Controlling Hardware can go to hell for all I care, because I'll oppose them to death.
 
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For deploying any kind of appxbundle u need the base structure for store, and if u have that simply run store app too it makes no differance... am i wrong?

btw i'm happy that u found atleast a nice driver..
 
Yes and no. You need the Runtimes package, but those are needed even for some "UWP" system components, so NTLite doesn't touch them. Some drivers need this or that runtimes packages, but that was true even before UWP, like Intel RAID drivers needing Visual C++2015, so its only a packaging format change, really.

Warning sort of rant from here on: Plus, like I've said, as long as I can install my PC without needing an internet connection (something it is not always available where I live) I don't care much. I do take offense at telemetry, yes, but I take a lot more offense at such decisions like keeping us from backing up stuff that we downloaded from the store to avoid having to download them (it'd be 1.5gb for the UWP drivers of everything I own, Intel Graphics, Nvidia Graphics, Realtek Audio, Alienware Control Panel, Thunderbolt Control Panel, Killer Control Panel, Dell Power Manager, Dell Active Pen) every ******* time I want to do a re-installation of my PC. If my problem was with the Microsoft Store itself, I wouldn't use Google Store, and I do (I just have the essential APKs backupped offline in case I want or have to re-flash my Poco for one reason or another). Alas I wish it was that simple with M$, but even if you have the APPX files downloaded, and install them and all the dependencies, they will force close without errors, until you connect to the store and when you do that, the apps will re-download themselves erase the versions you have and reinstall the store version even if the version, size, and checksum match the version that was there before. This not just bad practice, this is arbitrary, idiotic and tremendously inefficient, so until it this absolutist practice is abolished, yes, I'll be against UWP.

Edit the second: Found the Dell Website for the driver I'm using:

Treiber für die Intel UHD-Grafik | Treiberdetails | Dell Deutschland

www.dell.com

I tested it on several Dell Models: Optiplex 3040 Micro (HD530), Inspiron 7559 (HD530), Inspiron 7568 (HD520), Inspiron 5378 (HD620), G5 5590 (UHD630) with good success.
 
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Well it seems like this thread is attracting quite a bit of attention...
nuhi any ideas? This move from microsoft seems to be the beginning of the end for NTLite. Which worries me as much as anyone else here on this forum.
 
In reguards of Realtek Audio drivers etc.- unless you need some extra features like noise canceling and whatever else it offers, you dont really need the control panel. 99.9% of the time, I just change volume level, thats about it.

Same with Intel GPU drivers. On a i7-8550u system I have (passively cooled mini PC with UHD620, link https://de.aliexpress.com/item/3291...chweb0_0,searchweb201602_8,searchweb201603_53) the linked version is i7-8565 which is almost the same. Whats nice about this device is that it has no Intel Management Engine inside the BIOS or UEFI. Whats not so nice is that it can only go up to 30hz at 4K resolution through HDMI, but it can do 4K 60 Hz through display port.

I figured I dont even need the CP for the UHD620, the reason is because you cant change too many things in the CP anyways. I dont use those Video enhancement options and other than that you dont really have many options to tweak in the Intel CP. You can change resolution and refresh rate in windows, the only thing that CP offers is Custom Resolution, which I dont use anyways. I dont use this system for gaming too, with that gpu its basically impossible. The only requirement I have for the UHD620 is proper gpu hardware acceleraion for 4k videos, either streamed from the internet, like youtube or played locally and for that you need no cp.

Reguardless of whether you can live without the CP or not, the trend with UWP forced parts of the driver is completely ridiculous. MS wants to force that Store garbage to every PC at all cost.

PhsMu- thanks for the link.

I mean hopefully the result of this forced crap will be that more ppl migrate over to Linux or even OSX. The main reason why I dont switch to Linux is because for some reason it seems to be a really hard task to implement a fkn working gpu-Acceleration for streaming videos on Internet sites like Youtube and Twitch etc. Thats the biggest bummer.

But yeah, with forced Windows Store and other UWP crap, theres less need for NTlite. There are other free tools out there to include some updates or post setup installs into the ISO. Those tools even offer alot of windows component removement too.
 
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Can someone just cut through the stormy rainforest of rants, and tell me how to get the NVIDIA Control Panel working offline without the "No applicable app license found" error? I know Windows 10 is dysfunctional, but since I managed to get it installed via Command Prompt, surely there must be a way to get it running without the internet.
 
Thanks, I got it working: just to clarify, it is the Standard channel (not the DCH channel) that installs the Store-free NVIDIA Control Panel.
 
PhsMu i did see the dell had updated drivvers but i didnt follow the trail of bread crumbs, will do this week, thanks for posting.
 
PhsMu I suggest that there is no need to apologize for "rants" just because someone doesn't like them and tries to bully you in to silence.

First, being silenced here is not conducive to brainstorming, the free flow of ideas.
Second, as a pejorative, a "rant" is a silly, confused protracted soliloquy. Your complaints were short, focused and well reasoned.
Third, even if they were rants, when enough ppl are passionate enough to "rant," they can change Microsoft's course, as has happened in the past. In this instant case, I doubt that Microsoft will change their control panel model. But there's zero chance of change if ppl don't complain. Who knows? You might encourage others to speak up. (Or, alternatively, manufacturers might continue to offer standard control panels.)
Last, you warned readers of potential rants. So anyone who doesn't like "rants" can skip over them. (Instead of complaining about them.)

So I encourage you to speak your mind freely. I, for one, like hearing what you have to say.
 
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