Will NTLite work for me?

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xfan

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Hi there,

I'm trying to find out if NTLite will help me in my situation. I am trying to install Windows 11 from MS latest ISO with out any additional updates or 3rd party apps. The reason why is some update is introducing a bug in my 3D rendering program which cripples my video card as its GPU based rendering. But if I install Windows 11 offline and install the chipset drivers and my video card driver it runs fine. But once I go online and Windows starts downloading cumulative updates and apps like Teams, that's when problems happen. I have tried using the Group Policy editor and disable automatic updates but it doesn't work and Windows still downloads a bunch of stuff once I go online. Can NTLite solve this issue or is there another way to block those download once the system goes online? Ive been at this for over a week, at first I thought it was hardware issue cause its a new build so I've been through 6 mobo swaps on both AMD and Intel platforms so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
for win11 iso lets assume 21H2 ie 22000.xxx without any updates you have to create it by your own uising uupdump script & dont forgot to unclick add updates from its webpage menu.
for any third party apps NTLite is the best of the best option to be used . for app updates & intallation you can use settings from ntlite menu & cross check updates tab there + dont forgot to cross check privacy tab & autologger tab too.

Wish you a Happy NTLite Journey.
 
xfan said:
Hi there,

I'm trying to find out if NTLite will help me in my situation. I am trying to install Windows 11 from MS latest ISO with out any additional updates or 3rd party apps. The reason why is some update is introducing a bug in my 3D rendering program which cripples my video card as its GPU based rendering. But if I install Windows 11 offline and install the chipset drivers and my video card driver it runs fine. But once I go online and Windows starts downloading cumulative updates and apps like Teams, that's when problems happen. I have tried using the Group Policy editor and disable automatic updates but it doesn't work and Windows still downloads a bunch of stuff once I go online. Can NTLite solve this issue or is there another way to block those download once the system goes online? Ive been at this for over a week, at first I thought it was hardware issue cause its a new build so I've been through 6 mobo swaps on both AMD and Intel platforms so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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You can disable Windows Update on the Settings page, and can remove it on the Components page to be certain (leave service, remove the WU itself).
Also try integrating the latest update while at it, and disable Windows Update drivers auto install on the Settings page.

If that has the same issue, then it's the actual Windows Update, simply redo without integrating the update - but I recommend to first try updated.
That should cover it.
 
Disabling WU might prevent your bug from returning, but you should consider where Windows is introducing the unwanted change. Without knowing your code, here's some possible sources:

- WU is replacing your graphics driver with a "later" version
- W11 Cumulative Update has a different CPU microcode update
- W11 Cumulative Update has a different DirectX, Direct3D or rendering library
- .NET or VC++ dependency

The way to test if it was a Windows update, is to disable WU and manually install the CU or the .NET updates using DISM. By gradually adding all the updates, we can see where the change was applied.
 
nuhi said:
You can disable Windows Update on the Settings page, and can remove it on the Components page to be certain (leave service, remove the WU itself).
Also try integrating the latest update while at it, and disable Windows Update drivers auto install on the Settings page.

If that has the same issue, then it's the actual Windows Update, simply redo without integrating the update - but I recommend to first try updated.
That should cover it.
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Thank you so much. I will give this a try today. Is there an option to prevent 3rd party apps from install like Spotify or Disney+ ? And how to block Microsoft Teams?

Lastly, where can I download Windows updates manually so I can find out which one is causing the issue?
 
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xfan said:
Thank you so much. I will give this a try today. Is there an option to prevent 3rd party apps from install like Spotify or Disney+ ? And how to block Microsoft Teams?

Lastly, where can I download Windows updates manually so I can find out which one is causing the issue?
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There is a > Tweak - Settings page where you can disable 'show ads' and 'recommended apps install' and a lot more.
 
Download from Microsoft Update Catalog:
June 14, 2022—KB5014697 (OS Build 22000.739)
June 14, 2022 - KB5013889 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 11

1. Installing June 2022 CU requires you to first install the SSU which is hidden inside the CU update.
Code: 
> mkdir KB5014697

> expand -f:*.* windows10.0-kb5014697-x64_971c444bb3f117dd372636fed42ae80e3671cf82.msu KB5014697
Adding kb5014697\Windows10.0-KB5014697-x64.psf to Extraction Queue
Adding kb5014697\wsusscan.cab to Extraction Queue
Adding kb5014697\onepackage.AggregatedMetadata.cab to Extraction Queue
Adding kb5014697\SSU-22000.702-x64.cab to Extraction Queue
Adding kb5014697\DesktopDeployment.cab to Extraction Queue
Adding kb5014697\DesktopDeployment_X86.cab to Extraction Queue
Adding kb5014697\Windows10.0-KB5014697-x64.cab to Extraction Queue

> dism /online /add-package /packagepath:KB5014697\SSU-22000.702-x64.cab
> dism /online /add-package /packagepath:windows10.0-kb5014697-x64_971c444bb3f117dd372636fed42ae80e3671cf82.msu

Reboot, and test your app.

2. Continue with .NET update.
dism /online /add-package /packagepath:windows10.0-kb5013889-x64-ndp48_852faa94119365c2d2a311a59536bb9b85a5f653.msu

3. If neither update caused any changes, it's probably a driver change. In principle, installing the latest graphics driver should prevent WU from suggesting its own version since it lags behind on versions.

Removing Content Delivery Manager will permanently block suggested apps & content (ie. Spotify, Disney+) -- but you lose Spotlight wallpaper of the day and news content. Most users don't mind the tradeoff.
 
Kasual said:
There is a > Tweak - Settings page where you can disable 'show ads' and 'recommended apps install' and a lot more.
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Will this block Teams? Teams is one of the programs causing the problem. If its installed, things are fine. But if I disable it in start up or uninstall it, my rendering times are cut in half. So I’d like to block it all together if possible.

If anyone with a Nvidia GPU would be kind enough to try to see if they have the same issue, it wont take long. Just downlaod and run Vray Benchmark directly from Chaos. It’s portable. Do either a RTX or Cuda (with no cpu) benchmark. First run it once so it can build cache. Then reboot and run it again right after a reboot and the moment you hit the desktop and see if the score is dramatically lower or not from the initial run.
 
Right after reboot is the WORST time to run any benchmarks. Windows will stage specific tasks (like post-update cleanup) for the next reboot.

If you're not waiting at least 15-20 min. for Windows to finish and settle down, then your results will wildly vary. You ought to put up ResMon and wait until the CPU is stable. This ain't apples to apples for measuring background activity.
 
garlin said:
Right after reboot is the WORST time to run any benchmarks. Windows will stage specific tasks (like post-update cleanup) for the next reboot.

If you're not waiting at least 15-20 min. for Windows to finish and settle down, then your results will wildly vary. You ought to put up ResMon and wait until the CPU is stable. This ain't apples to apples for measuring background activity.
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if I dont disable Teams in windows startup, the benchmark is perfect every time the moment I hit the desktop. Ive been trying to figure this out for 7 days with a 3 page post on Chaos's website going back and forth with a Chaos GPU product specialist. They kept blaming my hardware so I replaced every part, 5 or so mobos, AMD, Intel. You name it. Whats even worse is after its screwed up cause Teams was uninstalled, if I engage the Snip tool during the benchmark, the score is normal again. Its crazy.

If you want to see it in action i made a video of it showing its normal then uninstall Teams and the score is nearly cut in half.
 
Kasual said:
There is a > Tweak - Settings page where you can disable 'show ads' and 'recommended apps install' and a lot more.
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I couldnt find a Tweak section under Settings. Where can I block apps like Spotify and Disney+ ? Oh wait, is it under Components>Content Delivery?

Also is Rufus a good app to write the ISO to a bootable thumbdrive?
 
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xfan said:
I couldnt find a Tweak section under Settings. Where can I block apps like Spotify and Disney+ ? Oh wait, is it under Components>Content Delivery?
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Yes, the only way on newer Windows, if connected to the internet during setup, is to remove Content Delivery Manager component.

xfan said:
Also is Rufus a good app to write the ISO to a bootable thumbdrive?
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Yes, it is. Just be careful with all the boot options, UEFI, NTFS...
I prefer simplest FAT32 for max compatibility, guide here.
May need ESD compression of the image to reach below 4GB in a single file size (not total ISO size, just \sources\install.wim/esd).
Once prepared, you can simply copy/delete files on it, never touch the partitions again.
 
nuhi said:
Yes, the only way on newer Windows, if connected to the internet during setup, is to remove Content Delivery Manager component.


Yes, it is. Just be careful with all the boot options, UEFI, NTFS...
I prefer simplest FAT32 for max compatibility, guide here.
May need ESD compression of the image to reach below 4GB in a single file size (not total ISO size, just \sources\install.wim/esd).
Once prepared, you can simply copy/delete files on it, never touch the partitions again.
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so I built an ISO and got into windows. Drivers for video card and chipset install just fine. But the Vray Benchmark now wont run. Its portable if that matters. I just see the logo and it closes. Not even the EULA agreement.

The only thing different in this ISO from a previous one where the Benchmark ran fine was I disabled Teams and Content Delivery Manager.
 
xfan said:
so I built an ISO and got into windows. Drivers for video card and chipset install just fine. But the Vray Benchmark now wont run. Its portable if that matters. I just see the logo and it closes. Not even the EULA agreement.

The only thing different in this ISO from a previous one where the Benchmark ran fine was I disabled Teams and Content Delivery Manager.
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If that's all you did, that does not cause any issues that I know of.

Seems like Vray Benchmark is quite fragile, make sure to check online posts like this or this.
Also sometimes after Windows install you might have installed a needed runtime without knowing, with some other app, for example.

Or attach your preset if you're unsure if anything else was edited (auto saved xml from that ISO).
 
Thank you for everyone's replies. You've all been really helpful. I'm gonna do some digging and try some different configurations.
 
Many benchmark tools require C++ to be installed to run. You will see an error, or they will just simply not launch at all when you click on the shortcuts without it, which is a good indication you need those files. Many other things will automatically and silently install C++, such as graphics drivers or games, etcetera, so you could have previously had them installed without even knowing it.

Try to install the latest 32-bit (link1) and 64-bit (link2) versions directly from Microsoft and then run the benchmark. Those C++ links are official, and you can see the documentation page (link3) for more information. Also make sure to run the benchmark as administrator.
 
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Hellbovine said:
Many benchmark softwares require C++ to be installed to run. You will see an error, or they will just simply not launch at all when you click on the shortcuts without it, which is a good indication you need those files. Many other things will automatically and silently install C++, such as graphics drivers or games, etcetera, so you could have previously had them installed without even knowing it.

Try to install the latest 32 AND 64 bit versions directly from Microsoft and then run the benchmark, it should load.

32-bit: https://aka.ms/vs/17/release/vc_redist.x86.exe
64-bit: https://aka.ms/vs/17/release/vc_redist.x64.exe

These are official MS links, you can find the page I got the links from over here:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/windows/latest-supported-vc-redist?view=msvc-170

Also make sure to run the benchmark as administrator.
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Thank you for this. I actually had to download it yesterday because KeePassXC required it as well.
 
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