Minimal Services Configurations for Windows 10 1809 (LTSC 17763.3165)

[Clanger]

garlin re "[Other Mod] note:" post no2. No preset was done with that configuration because the install would fail during setup. to completely barebone services it should only be done once all drivers and software are/is installed. that lot was all done on the fly and i exported the list from Services.

Thanks for adding the preset though

 

[xFadedxShadow]

Does this present work for Windows 21H2? I've tried but could no longer boot into windows

 

[garlin]

W10/11 services which cannot be disabled, until AFTER the first logon:

AppX Deployment Service (AppXSVC)
Client License Service (ClipSVC)
Connected Devices Platform Service
Encrypting File System (EFS)
State Repository Service

Except for CDP, they're all required for Appx provisioning.

 

[Clanger]

You can replace the trusted root certificate update with a weekly task.
https://github.com/asheroto/Root-Certificate-Updater

Bump

 

[Clang2]

Clanger forgot about windows defender, impossible to get these handles with it enabled

i didnt forget

AeonX 99.9% certain its all services, i stopped after that test. Defender would have been killed or dism removed(live only). System Apps may have been crippled, cant remember for sure.

to get that low i would have disabled/crippled everything i could at that time and i would have included system apps for certain.

Bumped for new members and w11 users where it might be of some use.
Might aswell open up thread to includes QandA's for all OS's, all eggs in one basket so to speak.
C.

Other windows services threads
"what-are-some-safe-to-disable-windows-11-services"

 

[Clang2]

to get that low i would have disabled/crippled everything i could at that time and i would have included system apps for certain.

you can stop Explorer and use (w7/w8.1 boot wim) Task Manager as a program launcher, that takes usage down a good bit,
been fiddling around a bit more and managed to get Threads down to 217 instead of the previous 285 but that doesnt include all the tweaks i used before and does include some new ones i didnt use previously. Threads under 200 should be possible but to be honest there wont be much more to come as i am about as nearly as low as you can go anyway.

 

[Clang2]

Has anyone managed to Disable or Remove DWM - Desktop Window Manager on LTSC's 1809 and or 21H2?

 

[garlin]

You know, it's called Windows.

UAC and UWP apps will stop working, mouse doesn't move around, and you'll get random black screens covering your desktop. If you're focused on running one app more or less all day, especially in fullscreen mode where you don't need a lot of UI niceties – then OK.

Supposedly W10 is more tolerant in killing DWM.

Here's an example tool (written in Korean). Ignore the Korean language bits, and study the batch scripts. You'll notice how many desktop processes need to be whacked in order to kill DWM.

DWMKiller/ko at master · Ingan121/DWMKiller

DWM Killer for Windows 8-11. Contribute to Ingan121/DWMKiller development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

I'd say it's not worth the effort unless you're really persistent, but I doubt NTLite can provide a plug & play solution.

 

[Clang2]

added that to a bunch of other dwm bookmarks . tried disabling already but couldnt, need to get rid of that nagging feeling by seeing if it can be disabled or not, worth trying even just to rule it out once and for all. disabling on w7 is easy and works without a problem but w10 1809 has been a no no up to now.

If you're focused on running one app more or less all day, especially in fullscreen mode where you don't need a lot of UI niceties – then OK.

thats me.

 

[AeonX]

to get that low i would have disabled/crippled everything i could at that time and i would have included system apps for certain.

I asked because some apps significantly increase the number of handles, like the Search app for example. Even when suspended it consumes resources.

"At times Windows 10 may determine that even in a suspended state, some apps are using too many resources. In this case, it may terminate some of these apps, effectively placing them into the not running state."
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2016/04/28/the-lifecycle-of-a-uwp-app/

I don't trust Windows to manage which apps are kept running or not, Microsoft doesn't care about optimization anymore, they want more apps to be running to collect more data.

 

[Clang2]

yeah, the differences in Handles is big compared to threads and processes and 10 various settings and start menu are broken to hell at that stage compared to 7 which is still very well behaved but its good to have a thrashed w7 to use as a benchmark for w10(and upwards), that why i shared it .

one recent improvement has been reducing the handles from the previous 285 to 217 using various privacy settings which i am pleased about which helps making w10 a viable os even if it does need work.

looking at a cmd file project it looks like a lot of privacy settings are Group Policies so if ntlite could import policy files either from saved files or the host machine that would be a great addition

 

[AeonX]

Has anyone managed to Disable or Remove DWM - Desktop Window Manager on LTSC's 1809 and or 21H2?

I honestly don't think it's worth the effort, the gain should be minimal, and nowadays everyone has a reasonable video card and RAM. It's worth more as curiosity and fun.

 

[Clang2]

you gotta try these things even just to rule them out once and for all.

 

[Clang2]

some apps significantly increase the number of handles, like the Search app for example.

you mean the Search box, taskbar bottom left? = searchui(cortana)? used to search for settings?
yeah its a resource hog but if you can balance that with savings already made(yet to make) then if its one of them niceties that makes windows nice to use then it might be worth keeping it. i usually disable searchui and have problems with settings windows :/

been testing out advanced gamer type tweaks and they havnt made any difference for me. if i can keep that search box and it makes no difference then its (might be)worth keeping.

 

[Clang2]

looking at using safe mode services(and driver services) exported as reg files, modded for my requirements instead of bareboning services.

 

[AeonX]

you mean the Search box, taskbar bottom left? = searchui(cortana)? used to search for settings?
yeah its a resource hog but if you can balance that with savings already made(yet to make) then if its one of them niceties that makes windows nice to use then it might be worth keeping it. i usually disable searchui and have problems with settings windows :/

Yes, that's it. I use StartIsBack and I don't need it but the Search app isn't that bad, I just wouldn't use it on weaker hardware. And in Windows 11 it seems that it is more problematic to remove it.

been testing out advanced gamer type tweaks and they havnt made any difference for me.

Yes, most if not all of the tweaks you see out there for games are almost imperceptible, I think only the smart ones can notice differences lol I don't use any of them, mainly because most don't have clear documentation of what they do.

 

[Clang2]

smart ones, or gamers and benchmarkers. not saying that they dont work but to me i dont see any improvements.

 

[Mr. Yu]

you mean the Search box, taskbar bottom left? = searchui(cortana)? used to search for settings?

In my impression, Cortana and the search box are grasshoppers on the same rope. Removing Cortana is the simplest way.

 

[Sinkaadam2013]

i tryed on the Latest NTLite with 1809 and imported the XML and nothing is happening when i try to Import

 

[WilliamAshley]

Does this present work for Windows 21H2? I've tried but could no longer boot into windows

Note I ran a batch process in powershell to disable them and likewise I got locked out of pin confirmation HOWEVER, it was possible to recover this by booting to another drive with this drive as a secondary and using regedit to manually edit the startmodes from 4 to 2. (this is windows 11) so a full system reset isn't required to fix this issue but if you have another computer or a clone of the disk fixing it is fairly simple it is just a matter of loading the SYSTEM hive from win32/config and changing the "Start" value from 4 to 2.

Should anyone else encounter this issue. I thought it might be due to seclogon and Usermanagement but windows has a variety of processes that manage user account control. So the full list of services may be more delicate depending on how you log into windows, if you have multiple local accounts etc.. I am not 100% sure what processes were causing the logon lockout as I just switched everything I knew might be the cause back to 2 until I could manually disable them to be sure it wasn't causing the issue.