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If you are going to install a new build every 6 months you are going to have problems. Remember the problems xp had when sp2 came out?
In my opinion an os is only approaching perfect when its been out for a couple of years, geeks will have their heads around it and developers will have their product well and truly sorted. How many bugs are reported here for windows 7 and 8.1? Hardly any because they dont get major updates every 6 months, hell, there are even forums for users who point blank refuse to give up using xp. Its why i scream loudly that 8.1 may be a viable option for some users, its known working on 8th gen Coffee Lake, will prolly work on 9th gen too. Keeping up with the times will give you grief.

AMD and Intel are partly to blame, AMD stopped supporting 8.1 but still support w7 and 8.1 is a newer os of the 2. Much as i like amd and have been a happy user for years i still use an nvidia gpu because they are still releasing new drivers for it. Shame on them for selling out and taking the MS schiiling.

Ive seen some benchmarks for Ryzen 3000. A 6c/12t 50w beats the 2700X at a 3rd of the price. If thats true then will will the top model be like? We are getting the best hardware we ever had and we are crippled with a crock of crap os like windows 10. 8.1 on an i8 8300 is a joy.
 
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Windows 10 User yes but this is due to the nature of Windows. If you want a fully modular system where you can remove components and their dependencies without compromising the components that are kept best use Linux. And many bugs are only discovered later when someone reports the problem. It is not possible to test all scenarios yourself.

Why not test the new version of Windows by removing what you want after install in a VM before installing in PC? Do you install first in PC after testing on a VM with the removing? If you are going to install a new OS anyway it is better to remove everything you need first and do a clean install already with everything removed.

I only see 2 utilities in doing the removals in a live system:

- You have a system installed for some time and for some reason can not do a clean installation;
- To test removals on a VM using snapshots so if something goes wrong it's quick to get back to the untouched system to test again. It is much faster than generating another ISO.
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I don't have a paid NTLite license so I can't test it in the host or on a VM and even if I did I might have problems like I've read somewhere and it's more likely to not have them if I do a clean install using the edited image. Yes, I first test it in a VM and if I have no problems I test it in the host afterwards. But that's exactly what I do and aren't you contradicting what you said in the first place?

First I install it (the edited image via clean install) on a VM and if I have no problems I install it in the host (via clean install too). I've heard about snapshots/checkpoints but I didn't know they did that (and I don't know how to use them) so I'd create a new VM every single time I needed to do a clean install (well, even if I started using snapshots/checkpoints if I'd want to do clean installs I'd have no choice but to not keep using them) to see for the first time if the image has problems (like when a new version is out like 19H1) or if l had them I'd keep doing it until they were fixed (or if after doing something the current install had a problem that could only be fixed after a clean install).

If Windows 10 is really a troubled OS to edit and every time a new version is out this is aggravated like many users told me (and I suppose I have an extra problem since I use two tools to edit the images and not just one and they use different processes to remove the components) then I'm out of luck since I only started editing an OS (Windows 10 x64) two years ago and I always want to have the last version (not the latest builds like those from Windows Insider). Right now I'm waiting for a new MSMG ToolKit to be released to be able to remove components on 19H1.

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I do not know about that. Are there any known bug when removing Content Delivery Manager? What I know to appear the screen of the Microsoft Account is simply connected to the internet and not use the file autounattend.xml



Have you installed Windows updates? Version 1809 had a similar bug but was fixed with an update and only happened when upgrading in place to version 1809.
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I didn't remove it and I didn't have the problem. Someone said to me it was the Content Delivery Manager removal that was causing it and he was right. I've been installing all available updates via WU and I still have this problem (don't forget I did a clean install of an untouched version on the host and not a clean install of an edited one). Weird, because I didn't do an in-place upgrade to 1809 but a clean 1809 install like I said before. Also, it looks like Cortana wasn't separated from Windows Search unlike what I've read somewhere so if I remove the first I'll lose the latter like in previous versions.

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If you are going to install a new build every 6 months you are going to have problems. Remember the problems xp had when sp2 came out?
In my opinion an os is only approaching perfect when its been out for a couple of years, geeks will have their heads around it and developers will have their product well and truly sorted. How many bugs are reported here for windows 7 and 8.1? Hardly any because they dont get major updates every 6 months, hell, there are even forums for users who point blank refuse to give up using xp. Its why i scream loudly that 8.1 may be a viable option for some users, its known working on 8th gen Coffee Lake, will prolly work on 9th gen too. Keeping up with the times will give you grief.

AMD and Intel are partly to blame, AMD stopped supporting 8.1 but still support w7 and 8.1 is a newer os of the 2. Much as i like amd and have been a happy user for years i still use an nvidia gpu because they are still releasing new drivers for it. Shame on them for selling out and taking the MS schiiling.

Ive seen some benchmarks for Ryzen 3000. A 6c/12t 50w beats the 2700X at a 3rd of the price. If thats true then will will the top model be like? We are getting the best hardware we ever had and we are crippled with a crock of crap os like windows 10. 8.1 on an i8 8300 is a joy.
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I don't but I've had problems after installing untouched and edited Windows 10 x64 images without doing a clean install so I'll have to do it and copy all the files and folders back and install all the programs, which is annoying. But there are still problems that were reported in previous Windows 10 versions and Windows 10's latest version still has them and if I use an older Windows OS or Windows 10 version it may not be supported by Microsoft and so it wouldn't receive updates (not to mention they may stop being supported by some software I may use and may not have features some Windows 10's latest versions do and which I use).

I've been having another problem every time I turn on the PC. I've been asked to check the disk and I'm always skipping the process because I suppose it might take a long time to do it but if I don't skip it will I be prompted again? May the disk have problems? Do you think the folder's problem might be fixed if I do an in-place upgrade to 19H1 (and I'd have no choice but to have the unwanted bloatware)? And would I have all the garbage if I did and in-place upgrade to an 19H1 edited image (I'd only get the unwanted trash that MSMG ToolKit didn't remove since it doesn't support component removal for now)? Anyway, I'd do a clean 19H1 install after MSMG ToolKit started to support the component removal for 19H1 so I'd install 19H1 twice (or three times instead because before installing the edited 19H1 image on the host I'd test it on a VM).

EDIT: Also, there are folders which aren't empty and nevertheless the icon that shows up is the empty one.

I've yet to use Windows Sandbox since I didn't install 19H1 but what is the difference between it and Hyper-V or Toolwiz Time Freeze? I suppose it looks like the latter and not Hyper-V.
 
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Windows 10 User I did not understand where I contradicted myself. Now you explained better. You install the new version of Windows 10 untouched on the host until a version of NTLite compatible with it or another compatible tool is released. In regards to this there is not much to do better to wait a while before installing the new Windows until all things are more stable.

Even without changes in ISO if you always install a new version of Windows as soon as it is available the likelihood of having problems is great. That's why a lot of people prefer to use LTSB/LTSC so that they are not forced to upgrade to Windows every 6 months and go through the initial (or persistent) issues that the newer version of Windows can bring. LTSC has long Microsoft support and will probably be supported by programs as well. Bleeding edge is for adventurers so have to take the risk :p

Snapshots are to save a state of the VM to make the changes you need and to be able to go back to the initial state of the VM without the changes and test again.

If you want to use many Windows 10 features remove fewer components. If you want to remove more you will have to give up the features. And keeping Windows Update working after the removals is getting harder, if you want Microsoft support and always use what's new it would be better to use tweaks instead of removing things from ISO. To remove more things you have to give up others.
 
Windows 10 User said:
Also, it looks like Cortana wasn't separated from Windows Search unlike what I've read somewhere so if I remove the first I'll lose the latter like in previous versions.
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It seems that Search was separated only visually from Cortana but not internally. Search still depends on Cortana.

Windows 10 User said:
I've been having another problem every time I turn on the PC. I've been asked to check the disk and I'm always skipping the process because I suppose it might take a long time to do it but if I don't skip it will I be prompted again? May the disk have problems?
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A power outage or sudden shutdown can cause this or a problem in HD. Let Windows check the disk and fix any problems if they exist.

Windows 10 User said:
Do you think the folder's problem might be fixed if I do an in-place upgrade to 19H1 (and I'd have no choice but to have the unwanted bloatware)?
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Do not know.

Windows 10 User said:
I've yet to use Windows Sandbox since I didn't install 19H1 but what is the difference between it and Hyper-V or Toolwiz Time Freeze? I suppose it looks like the latter and not Hyper-V.
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I'm not sure the difference but it seems that Windows Sandbox depends on Hyper-V. Sandbox is for testing applications in an isolated environment from the rest of the system. Hyper-V is for virtualization of an operating system.
 
AeonX said:
Windows 10 User I did not understand where I contradicted myself. Now you explained better. You install the new version of Windows 10 untouched on the host until a version of NTLite compatible with it or another compatible tool is released. In regards to this there is not much to do better to wait a while before installing the new Windows until all things are more stable.

Even without changes in ISO if you always install a new version of Windows as soon as it is available the likelihood of having problems is great. That's why a lot of people prefer to use LTSB/LTSC so that they are not forced to upgrade to Windows every 6 months and go through the initial (or persistent) issues that the newer version of Windows can bring. LTSC has long Microsoft support and will probably be supported by programs as well. Bleeding edge is for adventurers so have to take the risk :p

Snapshots are to save a state of the VM to make the changes you need and to be able to go back to the initial state of the VM without the changes and test again.

If you want to use many Windows 10 features remove fewer components. If you want to remove more you will have to give up the features. And keeping Windows Update working after the removals is getting harder, if you want Microsoft support and always use what's new it would be better to use tweaks instead of removing things from ISO. To remove more things you have to give up others.
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Well, but it doesn't make sense to wait some months or even more to install the new version just to make sure I won't have problems when it is said many times Windows 10 is a bugged OS and the new versions supposedly add features that might be important and fix some issues the previous ones had. But then what do you have to say about the untouched 1809 x64 clean install? Like I said, I have many problems and this version was released many time ago unlike the 1903 one. If I should wait some time after the latest version is released then why does NTLite (and other programs) support them as soon as they're officially released and in NTLite's case even before that? But from what I understand the LTSB/LTSC version doesn't have features and apps (or at least many of them) and although I almost use no apps and features some of the ones I do might be removed. Also, how does WU work on these versions?

Then these snapshots may be useful in case the VMs are infected but how big they are?

I understand that but I've been removing less components to not have problems and I still have them and this on previous versions, not on the 1903 one.

AeonX said:
It seems that Search was separated only visually from Cortana but not internally. Search still depends on Cortana.



A power outage or sudden shutdown can cause this or a problem in HD. Let Windows check the disk and fix any problems if they exist.



Do not know.



I'm not sure the difference but it seems that Windows Sandbox depends on Hyper-V. Sandbox is for testing applications in an isolated environment from the rest of the system. Hyper-V is for virtualization of an operating system.
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I don't remember having them but Windows took a second or so to check the disk. Is it normal?

So, in Hyper-V's case I have to install an OS when in Windows Sandbox's it already comes with one (I suppose it's the same as the host) and with an user account already created and signed in?
 
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With about 4 months Microsoft releases a feature update for companies is a reasonable time to fix bugs and release an acceptable version for companies because they need stability.

NTLite and others support new versions of Windows but can not fix bugs of the system itself this is with Microsoft and how in every feature update we have a completely new system takes a while to learn what can and can not remove in the system to keep it running smoothly.

About the untouched 1809 I do not think it's an ISO problem but some problem on your side. I just tested it in VM so I can not say much but a lot of people are using this version without problems.

It is true that LTSC does not have apps but you can add the Store and install the apps you want in the MDL has a tutorial you should have already seen. LTSC has been support for 10 years getting updates that is the great advantage of this version. It is for those who want stability.

Yes snapshots are useful in case VMs get infected because they just go back to their original state when the VM was clean. I do not know how much it takes on disk but it's not much will depend on the amount of programs you install.

On disk checking it usually takes a while unless it was done on a system partition there it's pretty fast.

I do not know about Sandbox because I only used it once and it has a lot of time, sorry. But I think it's something like you described.
 
AeonX said:
With about 4 months Microsoft releases a feature update for companies is a reasonable time to fix bugs and release an acceptable version for companies because they need stability.

NTLite and others support new versions of Windows but can not fix bugs of the system itself this is with Microsoft and how in every feature update we have a completely new system takes a while to learn what can and can not remove in the system to keep it running smoothly.

About the untouched 1809 I do not think it's an ISO problem but some problem on your side. I just tested it in VM so I can not say much but a lot of people are using this version without problems.

It is true that LTSC does not have apps but you can add the Store and install the apps you want in the MDL has a tutorial you should have already seen. LTSC has been support for 10 years getting updates that is the great advantage of this version. It is for those who want stability.

Yes snapshots are useful in case VMs get infected because they just go back to their original state when the VM was clean. I do not know how much it takes on disk but it's not much will depend on the amount of programs you install.

On disk checking it usually takes a while unless it was done on a system partition there it's pretty fast.

I do not know about Sandbox because I only used it once and it has a lot of time, sorry. But I think it's something like you described.
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But months after the features updates are released there are still bugs and in that case NTLite should only support them months after they were released. But the LTSC version may not have features I want so how can I have them? Also, I'd receive updates the same way I do for other versions?
 
NTLite supports any version of Windows 7 to Win10 no matter when it was released. The only feature that LTSC does not support is Cortana. Yes LTSC receives updates like any other version the difference is that it will not upgrade to a new build by Windows Update.
 
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NTLite supports any version of Windows 7 to Win10 no matter when it was released. The only feature that LTSC does not support is Cortana. Yes LTSC receives updates like any other version the difference is that it will not upgrade to a new build by Windows Update.
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And how long does a new LTSC version take to be released after a new feature update is out? It's strange Cortana still isn't available in my country after all these years.
 
LTSC is officially released every 3 years but sometimes comes out before. The last 2 versions came out a little over 2 years one after the other. One in 2016 (version 1607) and one in 2018 (version 1809).
 
You misssed the 2015 version. LTSB/C is for us old school folks who cant abide bling, its the best of a very bad bunch and its still a turd compared to 8.1.
 
AeonX said:
LTSC is officially released every 3 years but sometimes comes out before. The last 2 versions came out a little over 2 years one after the other. One in 2016 (version 1607) and one in 2018 (version 1809).
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In that case there will be versions which won't have their feature equivalent and so they'll be outdated.
 
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Devil or the deep blue sea, frying pan or fire. Sticking with ltsb/c's means you may miss out on code improvements on later builds. You have to make a choice based on the best availible information and make the best of that choice, come what may.
 
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In that case there will be versions which won't have their LTSC equivalent and so they'll be outdated.
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Yes of course. If you always want the most updated it does not make sense to have a version that receives updates for a long time since as soon as a new version is released you will migrate to it.
 
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Yes of course. If you always want the most updated it does not make sense to have a version that receives updates for a long time since as soon as a new version is released you will migrate to it.
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So the only advantage is that it doesn't come with bloatware (as well as some apps I need like the Store and Photos apps) and maybe some unwanted components?
 
Windows 10 User said:
So the only advantage is that it doesn't come with bloatware (as well as some apps I need like the Store and Photos apps) and maybe some unwanted components?
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And if you want to receive security updates and software support for 10 years without migrating to a new build every 6 months.
 
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And if you want to receive security updates and software support for 10 years without migrating to a new build every 6 months.
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And you wont be forced fed silly uneeded features like social media type stuff. Feature set wise LTSC is stable like 7 and 8.1 are, their features are set in stone and dont change.
 
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