Windows 11

ok, I can confirm that the nasty FE TAB white theme flash bug is fixed finally in this latest v575.

Also, liked the middle-clicked new TAB feature, finally a bugfix & useful feature of FE TAB
 
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scaramonga said:
Done several tests across the .431 .440 .450 builds, in VMWare, and have come to the conclusion that deleting/disabling anything on each, results in no performance gain whatsoever, and breaks system, unless one is careful, but updates, (unless you have this thing banished from the net?), will restore most of the hard work one has done to circumvent anything, although not all.

Funnily enough?, a gain was noticed in the system performance when all was left untouched??, albeit minor, WTF!!?? lol.

If you really must run this sh*t, then I recommend just installing as it is, bypassing the MS Account (if you so wish), then just uninstalling whatever afterwards. (Quite surprised how many it let me uninstall) Disable services etc., and turning off what you don't want running, and leave it be afterwards. This system breaks very easily, and at the slightest thing removed, and I suppose that is the way MS designed it to be?
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we all took the same steps.... I gave up, for years i debugged, really thats enough. I don't remove except modern apps and some sh*t components such as onedrive and windows defender+security. thats all.... I just disable some extra things now. everything is stable for more than 3 years now. i'm happy i have found the sweet spot.
 
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I do wish to stress, that my post is not just about 'performance', but rather about the time we now take, and care, to not allow this crap to consume us all? It was merely an info post to say that, despite all we may try, then I have (myself) come to the conclusion that 'its just is not worth the effort', to waste what little time we now have in this world, to fight against the unwinnable, aka, disabling this and that, or removing this from there.
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Hellbovine said:
Yeah I totally feel your pain. I just put in 20 hours total today and yesterday, and made no progress on my issue either. It sucks big time when things end up being out of your hands.
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scaramonga said:
So, I'll install the sh*t, live with the sh*t, and that's it lmao.
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if that's what makes you guys happy, then more power to you, but allow me to offer my counterpoint.

It was never about performance, at least to me. All that telemetry, all the data breaches, all those software blocked from being installed, its just a byproduct of an attempt to shift public's perception from 'its mine to use it as I see fit' to 'I can use it and that is enough', just like it is with cloud gaming, streaming services and the like. But consider for a moment how all the big tech companies collect telemetry, yet keep pushing features no one wants and getting rid of things that work and are used (and if you think its just microsoft, check out the Hangouts vs Google Chat threads on the net) just because its what THEY (and that's a vague, faceless mob of suits) think its best.

Sorry but I refuse. The moment I cannot Lite Windows to a point I feel satisfied anymore is the moment after I'll never use it, even knowing I'll probably lose 'features' on that deal. Just like I refuse to use cloud gaming. I do not trust big tech companies with my data nor do I want them telling me what I should or should not watch or listen to. Microsoft is especially guilty of this as they've been collecting a LOT of telemetry and yet, as noted, taking all we use and like in windows and force-feeding crap down our throats at every chance they get. So once again, NO. I'll put all the time and effort needed to have control over my data and especially, keep my privacy.

That's where I draw the line, and I believe if more people would stand on this line with me, we could pressure them to change for the better.
 
Oh yeah man, I totally agree. I'm still working through my custom ISO too. I'll be releasing it very soon (W10 though), I'm working on the guide write up right now, and the ISO is finished. I think it will help a lot of people since it includes something like 600+ registry tweaks, all with comments on each of them individually, and they were all tested to ensure they work and stick for all users, and don't get overwritten by OOBE or anything else.

This issue all stems from privacy laws lacking substantially in the USA. So many other countries have cracked down on Microsoft and data collection, some places they aren't even allowed to bundle Edge in the OS because it encourages the average user to not try other browsers, etc. We're just so polarized in American politics that at this point in time I doubt anything will happen on this front for many years to come. There's too much corruption, lobbying is simply the worst.

For anyone out there that doesn't buy into any of this stuff people like me and the other guys moaning about M$, I can tell you, even being a complete privacy nut as I am, I've still been the victim of multiple data breaches, that were completely out of my control. It happens whether people want to believe it or not. Some Googling will inform non-believers. Everything from Target being hacked to our Social Security Administration, it's endless. There is objectively no good reason Microsoft needs to install Candy Crush and other bloat on my machine, nor collect as much telemetry as it does--it's purely a money grab, nothing more.
 
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PhsMu said:
if that's what makes you guys happy, then more power to you, but allow me to offer my counterpoint.

It was never about performance, at least to me. All that telemetry, all the data breaches, all those software blocked from being installed, its just a byproduct of an attempt to shift public's perception from 'its mine to use it as I see fit' to 'I can use it and that is enough', just like it is with cloud gaming, streaming services and the like. But consider for a moment how all the big tech companies collect telemetry, yet keep pushing features no one wants and getting rid of things that work and are used (and if you think its just microsoft, check out the Hangouts vs Google Chat threads on the net) just because its what THEY (and that's a vague, faceless mob of suits) think its best.

Sorry but I refuse. The moment I cannot Lite Windows to a point I feel satisfied anymore is the moment after I'll never use it, even knowing I'll probably lose 'features' on that deal. Just like I refuse to use cloud gaming. I do not trust big tech companies with my data nor do I want them telling me what I should or should not watch or listen to. Microsoft is especially guilty of this as they've been collecting a LOT of telemetry and yet, as noted, taking all we use and like in windows and force-feeding crap down our throats at every chance they get. So once again, NO. I'll put all the time and effort needed to have control over my data and especially, keep my privacy.

That's where I draw the line, and I believe if more people would stand on this line with me, we could pressure them to change for the better.
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Telemetry is important for big companies now a days. They need information and that information is very valuable. There is a reason why they decided to make windows free for this exact reason.

People pay big dollars for your information that so many freely give up. There is a twist in this though, they also wanted to know what customers wanted out of there operating system and the only true way of getting that is through telemetry. Windows became more of like a school (you get a lot of things shown to you that majority of us may never ever use but it needs to be there if you need it.)

It's only going to get bigger and there is no stopping it because they have a majority of the market. I ly way things like this change is it others leave but that is also not going to happen.

This is why I love NtLite because for us it gives us a way to clean what we want and leave the rest. I will leave it at that
 
To bring all this back around to NTLite, I firmly believe the future of NTLite is going to shift to registry keys, instead of component removal.

This has become really clear to me in Windows 10 and 11, the amount of integration between apps and baking things into the OS has made a compatibility nightmare now. Too many things break even when you use the official Microsoft method to uninstall the things they allow you to. What I mean is, go into control panel and use programs and features to uninstall something like Paint 3D. Microsoft allows you, so you'd think it's safe right? Nope, now you've broken features inside WordPad, because they integrated them. That's just basic QC, it should also uninstall the relevant features from the other apps.

Registry keys still workaround this, by allowing us to disable things the "proper" way. I ran into so many problems trying to uninstall the most basic things in W10 that I now don't remove any components at all, except for OneDrive since it's not baked in yet and is still a standalone installer that just runs on first user creation.
 
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Necrosaro said:
There is a twist in this though, they also wanted to know what customers wanted out of there operating system and the only true way of getting that is through telemetry.
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Which would probably be fair enough, if they actually 'listened', and 'acted' on what that telemetry was telling them. They don't though, as they remove/add, and fail to fix what really needs fixed, regardless of what the end user wants, so what's the point?
 
Has anyone by chance tried out the W10 version of the 22H2? I'm curious how much of W11 they're bringing over to W10.
 
In an alternate universe there is a clean windows operating releasing system called Winlite 11. Hope I got a few laughs out of that
 
scaramonga said:
Which would probably be fair enough, if they actually 'listened', and 'acted' on what that telemetry was telling them. They don't though, as they remove/add, and fail to fix what really needs fixed, regardless of what the end user wants, so what's the point?
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A: Money.
B: Control
C: Both.

That is the exact reason I'll make as hellish for them to get my data as I feasibly can.
 
PhsMu said:
A: Money.
B: Control
C: Both.

That is the exact reason I'll make as hellish for them to get my data as I feasibly can.
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I totally agree, but @ 60 years of age nearly, lol, I'm tired of beating the dead horse, and fighting to get what I think is right. I'm running this garbage now, with what I know I can remove, but it's only inevitable before I can't even do that, and I'm not prepared to waste whatever time I have left on this planet? fighting a losing battle ;)

MS are not the 'nice' people they used to be, they are bastards, and will do whatever to annoy the 'end user', and I really do think they get a lot of fun out of doing so, along with the control and money :)
 
From an hour of trying, I would guess "no". You've been busy on old TenForum threads, so I will summarize:
  • W11's CurrentVersion\ActionCenter\Quick Actions\All inherited all of W10's keys, but ShellExperienceHost can only list 8 actions?
  • ProcMon on ShellExperienceHost shows its it never reads off this list, neither on start or when updating the Quick Actions control panel
  • ShellExperienceHost's AppxManifest.xml doesn't list actions it supports
  • No action names are listed inside the DLL's
Unless you want to spend time decompiling ShellExperienceHost, then my hunch is W11 hard-codes this list just to piss off users.
Then in a future 22H2 Enablement, they magically re-appear because that's how Redmond product cycles work.
 
With a few weeks to go, I know someone will ask about 22H2's Start Menu layouts.

1. PowerShell's Export-StartLayout DOESN'T capture any app folders, it will only export all Start Menu apps in a single list.
2. Start.bin is replaced by start2.bin. My guess is that start2 supports folders, and you can't backport it to 21H2 desktops.
3. Sordum's waiting for RTM, before updating their backup tool.
 
Yes I mailed and asked for backupstartmenulayout tool update but they are waiting for official releases.
 
Michael Niehaus, former MS PM for Window deployment automation, explains why OOBE has so many dependencies:
https://oofhours.com/2022/09/16/prompt-for-time-zone-and-maybe-other-stuff-during-autopilot/

So what’s the trick? Understanding how OOBE is structured is a good first step. It’s a UWP app called CloudExperienceHost, written in JavaScript and HTML (with some native code hooked in). You can find the JavaScript and HTML source files in C:\Windows\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.CloudExperienceHost_cw5n1h2txyewy. While you could probably hack that up, that wouldn’t be supported. But during the execution of that app, it needs to display the terms of use web page (and other web pages, e.g. the Azure AD sign-in flow, OOBEAADV1). How does it do that? By embedding an HTML IFRAME into a page being hosted in the UWP app’s web view. That web view is based on Internet Explorer (which will never fully die).
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But then how do we retrieve that value later? Understanding how the web view works is key to that. The Internet Explorer engine running inside the Cloud Experience Host app does it’s normal storage “stuff,” but instead of writing to the user’s IE storage location, it writes to an app-specific location.
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Maybe at some point the Cloud Experience Host app will switch from using a WebView to instead using a WebView2 control. If that happens, then it will use the Chromium way of storing local data, which will break the PowerShell scritp. I’m guessing we won’t need to worry about that any time soon.
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